Event difficulty level

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  1. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    I was in the process of replying to a post that probably got deleted while I was typing.:D I thought it was worth posting regardless. Mod feel free to delete if there was something I missed about the last one that caused you to delete it.

    Achieving a balance in event difficulty is a challenging thing to accomplish. If they make it easier for all, then they make it no challenge at all for some. BP has tried to meet everyone's needs by making these multi-staged events. Desert of Ess is a good example. The areas in the map with different colored mobs reflect the various capabilities of the players as well as the boss' for those areas. For the current event, the normal mode should be doable for anyone wishing to participate and if you can't do normal mode then get a grp or get stronger. The hard mode, is...well...hard. And it should be and there should be even harder elements, here's why:

    I know everyone wants to complete the event and get all the toys that come with it. But, somewhere along the way we need to stop acting like this is a teen sports league and everyone gets a ribbon of participation just by showing up and sitting on the bench.

    Every event should have a scaling difficulty level with multiple tasks that eventually comes to a point where you can not complete a task. For me the toughest challenge is soloing the headless guy. That is where the scale challenges my characters limits. I'm glad there is something in the event I can not do without excessive challenge. For some that excessive challenge level is Sargon in the hard map, for some it is normal trash mobs in the hard map, for some it is Fake Gnob, dragan hard, dragan normal etc etc... At some point you should be extremely challenged because without it what motivation is there to improve?
     
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  2. Dragonnns

    Dragonnns Count Count

    I agree with what you are saying. Facing a challenge can be exciting. It can make you think out of the box. It is what makes the game fun. And for those who have completed everything (over and over again), change and challenges are needed to keep them playing.

    I think the frustration many are expressing is caused by thinking they are tough enough (they are level 45) but still can't complete the event because they just aren't that OP. And then there are others who have no hope whatsoever, know it and have little to work for in the event. These people end up feeling a bit left out or neglected.

    What I would like to see, like the Essence event, are more scalable rewards. The Lion mount is pretty nifty, but if you aren't tough enough to complete the quest for it, what about a costume or a permanent emote that is easier to get. Even handing out a regular mount (different color?) would work. The Essence events let any toon get something, even if it was just the blue vector "costume". Because of the way this event is run, I don't know that this event could be modified to do more that way or not. I know there is the possibility of a Rabbit costume so maybe that is their effort to be scalable?

    One other thing to think about, right now the big event rewards are set for the OP level 45'ers (or even just strong 45'ers). When level 50 comes out, what happens to these events? Will they now slated to be for the OP level 50's? Will we end up with events no one can complete? Finding a way to scale these events and provide at least a minor reward for completing it (or part of it) would be great.
     
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  3. MegaNuker

    MegaNuker Forum Ambassador

    Yes I love the test your might type of approach.

    Kill the mob and he comes back stronger and you keep killing him till there is no way you can survive. The higher you go the higher tick you get on your character page...
     
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  4. DesertKoala

    DesertKoala Forum Pro

    BigPapa, I agree with all of your points....as usual. ;) My only add is that folks take time to study the guides and do a rough calculation on the resources and time necessary to hit their objective. For some, they should look at the cost vs benefit and walk away from portions of the event. As an example, a lot of folks are going to hit a wall at Challenge #3 and #4 long after they have put too much time into the effort. It is those folks that need to read your cautionary tale above. I love Events but I also am never shy about reassessing the situation and changing my goals and game plan.
     
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  5. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    Yeah, that 1500 at the end is gonna be interesting. I think my DK can do the challenge, but I know that my dwarf can't. So I'll mostly be on the DK for now, will just try to get the warlord helmet and maybe the pauldrons for my dwarf, plus however many sargon runs I can get.
     
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  6. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    Absolutely right on. I'm concerned about this event for the reason you stated but also for in game friends and guilds I want to help get through it. I went into the Hard map MANY times after I finished the challenge(as I know you and others did) to help folks finish the challenge. I want to be able to do this for people, but makes me concerned about my own ability to finish the challenges when we get to 3 and 4. 1500 Eggs won't be the challenge, getting into the map and having enough colored ess for gnob will be.

    I will spend the next two days, when I can play, trying to restock items that are time consuming to obtain after you have finished the main quest lines. Hopefully I'll have some luck and be able to continue broad assistance, but at some point it may be too much to accomplish everything I would like to. In a sense, this is the most challenging part of the event more so than any of the bosses. Luckily, I already have the set items from Dragon and Sargon so those are just bennies in the process of meeting other goals.
     
  7. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    Math? Did someone say "Math?"
    Lets see, rough calculations coming at ya.

    In my other post, I said it is between 30 and 60 min to farm enough pearls to get into the 120 map twice. That is usually enough to get 1.1-1.4 red pearls. Rounding that to 1.0 per hour, you have a very easy number for planning.

    Now say you only do Gnob and Sargon (and Dragan of course) each time you take a trip to the hard map because they give you the most bang for you buck. Worst case, you only get 90 eggs per trip, best case, 130. So lets say 100 per trip on average.

    The remaining mini events are 750 (about 7-8 trips), 1050 (about 10-11), and 1500 (about 15 trips). This means about 32-34 Red Pearls.

    Taking away the Red pearls you receive as progress rewards in the remaining three mini events, 1 from the 750, 1 from the 1050, and 5 from the 1500, leaves you needing to farm 25-27 from now to the end of the event, or less than 2 hours a day average farming pearls and red pearls. Also worth noting, you get the 5 red pearls at 1065 which is right about when you would need them to finish out the 4th mini event.

    So, the take away from all this is farm 2 hours a night and 4 hours a day on the days you have off from work and you will have enough red pearls easily. All the numbers I presented were conservative, so you could probably get away with less time (particularly if you can farm 120 pearls in 12-15 min (average of 30 pearls a run at 3-4 min a run). If this is the case, you will simply have excess hard map entries to burn during the last mini event. Also, I don't know about you, but it takes less ess to kill Gnob than you find in the map getting to Gnob (especially if you get lucky and get some of the larger drops like a 360, 600, or 999), so that isn't the problem.

    Final personal analysis, I already have 14 red pearls after doing borderline excessive farming of Gnob on the first one. I am well on track to finish the mini events and I'll have some to run for fun on the last day of the event. Or rather, the second to last. I work on the true last day.
     
  8. Novadude

    Novadude Commander of the Forum

    For what it is worth, 10 red pearls only costs 750 draken, and it might not be a bad investment for time challenged players to cut that cursed pearl farming down, as the challenge event pays back 625 draken and dragan hard typically gives 10 draken each time. Also, the 5 key amphora chests seems to always drop a red pearl, and I believe I got 5 or 6 red pearls from the 5 key amphora chests using amphora keys I earned in the event.

    So if your time calculations are within 10 red pearls as the decision for doing the challenge/not doing the challenge, you could consider buying the 10 you need with draken as it would still result a net draken increase for doing the challenges at the end of the event if you are also getting draken drops each time you kill dragan hard.

    I have not bought the red pearls with draken as I think I can farm enough cursed pearls to do it without spending the draken but if I complete the 2nd challenge with red frag earned pearls (at this point, I believe I have enough red frags for 5 more entries and I think I have 2 red pearls left) and can't get enough pearls for the 3rd and 4th, I might buy 10 with draken.
     
  9. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    True, I thought about mentioning buying for Draken, and I did forget about the amphora keys and how some of the amphora give red pearls. Those are good points though because you would basically be buying the opportunity to get the two unique that would take you months or longer to farm. With the two from this event, I'll be up to 3/5 (sans head and boots), but I'm not sure if I'd use anything short of the full set.
     
  10. awaroa

    awaroa Advanced

    i have a question is it better to open amphora pots in difficult map or doesnt it matter which map you open them in
     
  11. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    Amphorae have the same loot on all event maps.
     
  12. XenaGirl90

    XenaGirl90 Advanced

    Quite honestly it's still very unlevel, you can never do it on your own no matter what level because the monsters hit harder than you do... MUCH harder... half your health is gone from just a couple of hits... it's unfair and they should adapt the monsters attack to the same as ours not 50 times more... not even a level 60 can do it on their own...
     
  13. dannyy868686

    dannyy868686 Someday Author

    ive soloed the whole event, including the challenges so it can be done, and my gear and gems are not great ether, ( lvl 45)
     
  14. fourtwenty68

    fourtwenty68 Board Analyst

    true,because they scale everything to your level,well in most cases, Gods level lol.now the super powers are coming to say it wouldnt be a challenge otherwise.
    which i agree to some extent,some classes u can,some u just cant,but they dont get that,and never will.
     
  15. XenaGirl90

    XenaGirl90 Advanced

    Yes but it's TOO MUCH of a challange... it's too difficult for anyone to do it on their own... i wish they would get that too because id really like to be able to do it on my own... too many just mess around... they stay for 1 or 2 rounds then leave... it's like your never gonna get nothing done in the event becasue we spend most of out time constantly forming new group after new group to get people to help... i got so annoyed at that when i did the christmas event lol i had to complain my butt off till someone finally helped xD lol, not doing another for a while till i'm stronger, id rather not have to wait on others to get it down, so they definitely need to consider that or it's just no fun...
     
  16. _Baragain_

    _Baragain_ Living Forum Legend

    You don't read very well... Lots of people have soloed this event in all areas. Just because you cannot do something doesn't mean that it can't be done. Plus, the chalanges are supposed to be difficult. For you, it is just more difficult than it is for others.
     
  17. XenaGirl90

    XenaGirl90 Advanced

    yeh but then it takes ages to get through 1 round on your own because your constantly standing there healing up to be able to continue onto the next part but we need to do more than 1 round on some events like the xmas one or the lunar event, i tried doing the lunar one but i gave up because i realized how long it would take just to get through it once... lol not enough time given for how long it takes to go through it once.
     
  18. BigPapa

    BigPapa Forum Overlooker

    There you go, you can solo it, but it is at the capabilities of you character. This is the point of the thread. Maybe one other person in you grp would be the difference in both of you making progress faster. A DK or SW will help an RA do more damage.
     
  19. XenaGirl90

    XenaGirl90 Advanced

    Nah i tested that at christmas, 2 people still aren't enough... you need at least 3 or 4 people to get through it without dieing a lot, but id like to be able to do it on my own without having to keep stopping to heal every corner i kill monsters, i wish that they would acclerate it for single player too, like how you play the other paralel universes for easy and difficult, instead we can choose single player or group, that way if we want to play on our own the game is more fair for single players and we can go through it without half our health gone in like 1 or 2 hits and we don't stop at every corner, but if your doing group THEN it's fair for it to be much harder.
     
  20. thedarkestlight

    thedarkestlight Advanced

    Off Topic-
    Well since I played with you,I know ur character,no offense but it's rather weak.:oops:
    Try to get new items and melt old ones,plus from what I remember you didn't even know you could upgrade and wear high level items.

    On Topic-
    I agree there should be challenges,from what i was thinking was meh,my dk is pretty nice i can solo maps.:cool:
    Well turns out i cant do hard bosses:(.But in this process i learned that my failure is due to 70% of my skills and 30% armor so its a nice thing i got to know the fault.:)
     
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